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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s gone a bit quiet ... </description>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you say you intend to employ journalists (plural). Let&#039;s say you pay them at the kind of levels  the NUJ maintain is a &#039;fair wage&#039;, say &#163;30,000 per year, and let&#039;s assume you need a wage yourself - I reckon you would need best part of &#163;200,000 of ad rev per year for a team of 5 (taking into account other costs etc). If you have a model for that, within the limits of a Bristol aggregation site, I&#039;d love to see it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you say you intend to employ journalists (plural). Let&#039;s say you pay them at the kind of levels  the NUJ maintain is a &#039;fair wage&#039;, say &pound;30,000 per year, and let&#039;s assume you need a wage yourself &#8211; I reckon you would need best part of &pound;200,000 of ad rev per year for a team of 5 (taking into account other costs etc). If you have a model for that, within the limits of a Bristol aggregation site, I&#039;d love to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>The Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, 
That&#039;s the aim - thanks for your kind comment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather,<br />
That&#039;s the aim &#8211; thanks for your kind comment.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Bristol Evening Post ( or is that Morning Post) -they have ignored the fact that their readers have been leaving them in their 1000&#039;s for years and yet rather than address the issues as to why they just choose to try and restrict any competition. Bristol 24/7 is a great site - and I reallly hope you make a solid commercial success out of this and unlike the Northcliffe owned Bristol titles you re-invest those profits in this venture, in terms of both jobs and the local community. Good Luck </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Bristol Evening Post ( or is that Morning Post) -they have ignored the fact that their readers have been leaving them in their 1000&#039;s for years and yet rather than address the issues as to why they just choose to try and restrict any competition. Bristol 24/7 is a great site &#8211; and I reallly hope you make a solid commercial success out of this and unlike the Northcliffe owned Bristol titles you re-invest those profits in this venture, in terms of both jobs and the local community. Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>The Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,  
Couldn&#039;t agree with you more. This is certainly not vanity publishing - I intend to make this a successful business which, in time, will employ journalists to provide more and more original content. See &lt;a href=&quot;www.bristol247.com/beyondthead&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bristol247.com/beyondthead&lt;/a&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.bristol247.com/beyondthead&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to see how I intend to make this a success. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,<br />
Couldn&#039;t agree with you more. This is certainly not vanity publishing &#8211; I intend to make this a successful business which, in time, will employ journalists to provide more and more original content. See <a href="www.bristol247.com/beyondthead" rel="nofollow"> &lt;a href=&quot;</a><a href="http://www.bristol247.com/beyondthead" rel="nofollow">http://www.bristol247.com/beyondthead</a>&#8221; target=&#8221;_blank&#8221;&gt;www.bristol247.com/beyondthead to see how I intend to make this a success.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see the business model for this and all the other aggregate sites, eg Dale-Anthony. I suspect they are making next to no money. And ultimately, journalism isn&#039;t charity. Journalists have families and bills. That&#039;s why the EP etc do it the way they do, ie they have a commercial element. It may be tough just now, but there is still a sense of commercial reality. I get fed up listening to all the idealistic old lefties who think it can all be done for pennies. Get real. Eventually you&#039;ll need money for the sandals and houmous. Look at it from the outside ... the very best you can hope for is to carry content that someone else has already produced. What&#039;s the point? 
Having said that, the website looks good, it&#039;s easy to follow. But it&#039;s a business, not vanity publishing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d love to see the business model for this and all the other aggregate sites, eg Dale-Anthony. I suspect they are making next to no money. And ultimately, journalism isn&#039;t charity. Journalists have families and bills. That&#039;s why the EP etc do it the way they do, ie they have a commercial element. It may be tough just now, but there is still a sense of commercial reality. I get fed up listening to all the idealistic old lefties who think it can all be done for pennies. Get real. Eventually you&#039;ll need money for the sandals and houmous. Look at it from the outside &#8230; the very best you can hope for is to carry content that someone else has already produced. What&#039;s the point?</p>
<p>Having said that, the website looks good, it&#039;s easy to follow. But it&#039;s a business, not vanity publishing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>The Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,  
I take issue with you on two points. First, the very fact that I am stating where the source of the story is coming from means I am not &quot;hiding behind my screen&quot;. I write a short summary of the story and give people clear, precise links to the original source, therefore being open in the fact that this is not an exclusive, original piece. Readers will therefore by encouraged to visit more news sites than simply concentrating on one or two. 
Second, I AM going out and doing my own journalism, so that there is a mix of aggregated and original content - which I hope provides a wide range of material for people. 
Thanks for taking the trouble to comment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,<br />
I take issue with you on two points. First, the very fact that I am stating where the source of the story is coming from means I am not &quot;hiding behind my screen&quot;. I write a short summary of the story and give people clear, precise links to the original source, therefore being open in the fact that this is not an exclusive, original piece. Readers will therefore by encouraged to visit more news sites than simply concentrating on one or two.<br />
Second, I AM going out and doing my own journalism, so that there is a mix of aggregated and original content &#8211; which I hope provides a wide range of material for people.<br />
Thanks for taking the trouble to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right ... no one owns news. 
 
But where you are wrong is your assertion that other people can do all the work for you and you hide behind your screen reaping the benefit. 
 
If this is a real news site, start acting like a real journalist. Take responsibility. Do your own interviews. I find it hilarious that you are so bitter about the Post yet you are happy to take their content (and pass it off as your own). 
 
If I was an artist and someone made a high quality print of my work then tried to sell it I would be rightly pissed off. This is the same thing. 
 
I could just about stomach it if you made it clear that you had lifted the stuff from the Post but you don&#039;t. To most people who don&#039;t understand the news business, they will see it as your work (which it isn&#039;t). Frankly, any geek could sit behind a screen cutting and pasting. In fact, maybe I&#039;ll turn myself into the Sun tomorrow, cut and paste all their stories from their website and pass it off as mine. 
 
On the point of the Post lifting stuff. I&#039;ve worked in regional papers for many years and I know that nine times out of ten they will try to verify stuff independently. How often does this website do that? 
 
I&#039;m all for new ventures and I applaud innovation, but this just seems like a plain old rip-off to me. This kind of thing does nothing for journalism because it undermines correct practices. I am astonished you run court stories, for example, without verifying any facts. 
 
Get out there and be a proper journalist and stop whingeing about those who are. 
 
Spot the difference game: 
 
Here is a story picked at random ... a tweak here and there but basically you&#039;ve taken the EP&#039;s structure and content 
 
The schoolboy accused of plotting to detonate a suicide bomb in Broadmead told a court yesterday that he mixed his interest in radical Islam with a fetish for women&#8217;s feet, the Evening Post reports. 
 
Andrew &#8216;Isa&#8217; Ibrahim said he filmed female students&#8217; feet at City of Bristol College  and searched the internet for pictures of Hollywood star Keira Knightley&#8217;s feet. 
 
The 20-year-old told Winchester Crown Court he was interested in the political side of radical Islam, but did not condone terrorism. He said he researched radical preachers on the net because he felt like a loser and it made him feel bigger. 
 
 
 
A suspected Bristol terrorist has told a jury how he mixed his growing interest in radical Islam with a fetish for women&#039;s feet. 
 
Andrew Ibrahim admitted filming the feet of fellow students at City of Bristol College on his mobile phone and searching the internet for pictures of film star Keira Knightley&#039;s feet. 
 
The 20-year-old from Westbury-on-Trym, who changed his name to Isa when he converted to Islam, said it was the political side of Islam which interested him &#8211; but insisted he did not condone terrorism on civilians. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right &#8230; no one owns news.</p>
<p>But where you are wrong is your assertion that other people can do all the work for you and you hide behind your screen reaping the benefit.</p>
<p>If this is a real news site, start acting like a real journalist. Take responsibility. Do your own interviews. I find it hilarious that you are so bitter about the Post yet you are happy to take their content (and pass it off as your own).</p>
<p>If I was an artist and someone made a high quality print of my work then tried to sell it I would be rightly pissed off. This is the same thing.</p>
<p>I could just about stomach it if you made it clear that you had lifted the stuff from the Post but you don&#039;t. To most people who don&#039;t understand the news business, they will see it as your work (which it isn&#039;t). Frankly, any geek could sit behind a screen cutting and pasting. In fact, maybe I&#039;ll turn myself into the Sun tomorrow, cut and paste all their stories from their website and pass it off as mine.</p>
<p>On the point of the Post lifting stuff. I&#039;ve worked in regional papers for many years and I know that nine times out of ten they will try to verify stuff independently. How often does this website do that?</p>
<p>I&#039;m all for new ventures and I applaud innovation, but this just seems like a plain old rip-off to me. This kind of thing does nothing for journalism because it undermines correct practices. I am astonished you run court stories, for example, without verifying any facts.</p>
<p>Get out there and be a proper journalist and stop whingeing about those who are.</p>
<p>Spot the difference game:</p>
<p>Here is a story picked at random &#8230; a tweak here and there but basically you&#039;ve taken the EP&#039;s structure and content</p>
<p>The schoolboy accused of plotting to detonate a suicide bomb in Broadmead told a court yesterday that he mixed his interest in radical Islam with a fetish for women&rsquo;s feet, the Evening Post reports.</p>
<p>Andrew &lsquo;Isa&rsquo; Ibrahim said he filmed female students&rsquo; feet at City of Bristol College  and searched the internet for pictures of Hollywood star Keira Knightley&rsquo;s feet.</p>
<p>The 20-year-old told Winchester Crown Court he was interested in the political side of radical Islam, but did not condone terrorism. He said he researched radical preachers on the net because he felt like a loser and it made him feel bigger.</p>
<p>A suspected Bristol terrorist has told a jury how he mixed his growing interest in radical Islam with a fetish for women&#039;s feet.</p>
<p>Andrew Ibrahim admitted filming the feet of fellow students at City of Bristol College on his mobile phone and searching the internet for pictures of film star Keira Knightley&#039;s feet.</p>
<p>The 20-year-old from Westbury-on-Trym, who changed his name to Isa when he converted to Islam, said it was the political side of Islam which interested him &ndash; but insisted he did not condone terrorism on civilians.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.bristol247.com/2009/07/05/nobody-owns-news-we-were-never-meant-to/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just your view that nobody &quot;owns news&quot; - it&#039;s a phrase that is used a lot. 
 
However it&#039;s a bit of a straw man argument, as I&#039;ve never heard of anyone claiming that they do own the news. 
 
People and organisations can, however, own intellectual property, and I suspect this is what the Evening Post was talking about.  
 
Whether writing a brief summary of someone else&#039;s work actually infringes their rights is debatable, and I personally doubt it. 
 
However, the fact that we are talking about a news story is irrelevant. It could just as well be a novel, an essay, a movie script or any other piece of writing. People do own what they write. 
 
By the way, if the Post&#039;s &quot;news&quot; is actually copy and pasted press releases, why don&#039;t you just copy and paste the press releases yourself? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s not just your view that nobody &quot;owns news&quot; &#8211; it&#039;s a phrase that is used a lot.</p>
<p>However it&#039;s a bit of a straw man argument, as I&#039;ve never heard of anyone claiming that they do own the news.</p>
<p>People and organisations can, however, own intellectual property, and I suspect this is what the Evening Post was talking about. </p>
<p>Whether writing a brief summary of someone else&#039;s work actually infringes their rights is debatable, and I personally doubt it.</p>
<p>However, the fact that we are talking about a news story is irrelevant. It could just as well be a novel, an essay, a movie script or any other piece of writing. People do own what they write.</p>
<p>By the way, if the Post&#039;s &quot;news&quot; is actually copy and pasted press releases, why don&#039;t you just copy and paste the press releases yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Nobody owns news&#8217; claims Bristol man &#171; Hyperlocal World</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Nobody owns news&#8217; claims Bristol man &#171; Hyperlocal World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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